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rape: the womans fault?  (4242 views)
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February 9, 2010, 12:35:25 AM (#100)

Hmmm really Industrial Roll Eyes Laughing?  Does that include your mother/ grandmother and sisters/ daughters?  Or just women you don't know?

You really need some sarcasm lessons.  Really...
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February 9, 2010, 12:38:34 AM (#101)

You really need some sarcasm lessons.  Really...
Really?  Enlighten me. 
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February 9, 2010, 12:49:52 AM (#102)

I know this topic was started a long time ago and I only read maybe the first 10/15 responses (plus the most recent ones), but I would like to weigh in. I just saw Thelma and Louise tonight for the first time and (spoiler alert) what causes the rest of the action in the movie is that Thelma is almost raped by a man at a bar and Louise shoots and kills him.

Thelma started drinking Wild Turkey as soon as she got to the bar even though it is heavily implied that she is a subdued housewife 99% of the time (i.e. I don't know how much she drinks/how well she can hold her liquor but it is implied not very well.) She is also dressed more provacatively than Louise though it's 1991, so nothing like what we might imagine now. She's got bare arms and mostly bare shoulders and is showing some cleavage and the slits in her skirt are thigh-high.

A charming man approached her and sweet talked her into dancing with him (he also bought her and Louise drinks). They start dancing and a montage occurs wherein it is shown that they were at the bar for probably three or four hours, dancing and drinking. Louise dances rather politely with the men who approach her while Thelma sticks tight to Harlan and dances very sexually with him. She is also shown to have a beer in her hand while she's dancing, which gives the "lots of drinking" implication (though she took like four shots at the beginning of the scene so it's safe to say that she was rather intoxicated).

Louise thinks it is time to go and tells Thelma that she is going to go to the bathroom and to be ready to leave when she returns. While she's in the ladies room, Thelma feels sick on the dance floor and Harlan escorts her outside for some fresh air. She wanders around rather drunkenly but is feeling better. Harlan makes advances on her, which she politely rejects. But then he is forceful with her, making her kiss him and trying to push her skirt up her leg. Eventually this turns into a violent attack, both physically and sexually. Just as he is about to push his dick in, Louise approaches with the gun and gets him to back off. He does but can't leave it at that - he makes some crude remarks causing the already furious Louise to shoot and kill him off of instinct.

Louise says they can't go to the police because no one saw Harlan try to rape Thelma but everyone saw Thelma dancing all up on Harlan.

Here is my argument: No one deserves to be raped. However we as women know how often rape or attempted rape/sexual assault occurs. If we want to avoid it, we cannot act in such a manner that will allow it to happen. Yes, men should be able to control themselves. But we know that some of them will not. So we shouldn't get so drunk that we can't fight back. We shouldn't separate ourselves from our friends. We shouldn't act like we're going to sleep with the guy at the end of the night if we're not planning on doing so. I'm not even really talking about the way a woman is dressed but more about her behavior and the consequences associated with such behavior and decisions. Thelma made a decision to drink heavily when it's something she isn't used to doing. Thelma made a decision to cling tight to Harlan rather than dancing with several other men or hanging back with Louise for a few songs. Thelma made a decision to walk out of that bar alone with a stranger when she knew her friend was in the bathroom. I am not saying that the fact that she was almost raped was her fault, but I'm saying she could have done more to prevent it from happening. As unfair as it may seem, women have to be smart about what we do when we go out because in most cases there is more of a danger for us of being raped or sexually assaulted in some way.

So while I'm not saying any woman who was raped was at fault, I am saying that, in many cases, something could have been done on the woman's part to prevent that rape. And of course there are always exceptions in which there was nothing she could have done. Finally I do want to reiterate that I am also not saying that anyone deserves to be raped either. My point is merely that women should do as much as they can to prevent themselves from being raped because that alone could save them from suffering from that.
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February 9, 2010, 01:00:21 AM (#103)

You saved me alot of time watching a movie and I appreciate that! Great point also, I agree that it shouldn't be considered her "fault" but she may influence it.

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February 9, 2010, 01:08:52 AM (#104)

Hmmm really Industrial Roll Eyes Laughing?  Does that include your mother/ grandmother and sisters/ daughters?  Or just women you don't know?
It includes every woman old enough to cook and clean.

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February 9, 2010, 02:07:42 AM (#105)


Here is my argument: No one deserves to be raped. However we as women know how often rape or attempted rape/sexual assault occurs. If we want to avoid it, we cannot act in such a manner that will allow it to happen. Yes, men should be able to control themselves.

Yes they should and making excuses for them is excusing rape.

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But we know that some of them will not.
But they should, and I don't think anyone should alter their behaviour because of rapists.  Occasionaly men get raped too, would we suggest they never go out alone or get drunk?

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So we shouldn't get so drunk that we can't fight back. We shouldn't separate ourselves from our friends. We shouldn't act like we're going to sleep with the guy at the end of the night if we're not planning on doing so.


What is acting like planning on sleeping with?  Rapists don't usually rape because a woman has acted a certain way, they rape because they are sick.
 
Even if she has consented to almost everything but sex, a woman or a man can change their mind at any time.
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I'm not even really talking about the way a woman is dressed but more about her behavior and the consequences associated with such behavior and decisions.

Given that most rapes are perpatrated by someone the woman knows, like a friend or boyfriend, how does her behaviour have anything to do with it?

Why should there be consequences to the way a woman behaves? if I am rude to someone they don't have the right to assault me,
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Thelma made a decision to drink heavily when it's something she isn't used to doing. Thelma made a decision to cling tight to Harlan rather than dancing with several other men or hanging back with Louise for a few songs. Thelma made a decision to walk out of that bar alone with a stranger when she knew her friend was in the bathroom. I am not saying that the fact that she was almost raped was her fault, but I'm saying she could have done more to prevent it from happening. As unfair as it may seem, women have to be smart about what we do when we go out because in most cases there is more of a danger for us of being raped or sexually assaulted in some way.

So while I'm not saying any woman who was raped was at fault, I am saying that, in many cases, something could have been done on the woman's part to prevent that rape. And of course there are always exceptions in which there was nothing she could have done. Finally I do want to reiterate that I am also not saying that anyone deserves to be raped either. My point is merely that women should do as much as they can to prevent themselves from being raped because that alone could save them from suffering from that.

Unfortunately your attitude reflects how western society generaly views rape.  I believe when ever you say but a woman should have done  X  you relieve th perp of his guilt and blame the victim.

Do we say the elderly who don't have security screens are asking to be robbed?  No we say no one has a right to rob them.  Same should go with rape.

Why don't women deserve freedom as much as men?

Rape still occurs in countries where women have no freedoms at all and are covered from head to foot.  Blaming the woman is age old BS . Rape says nothing about the victim and everything about the rapist and their lack decency.
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February 9, 2010, 03:13:40 AM (#106)

Hmmm really Industrial Roll Eyes Laughing?  Does that include your mother/ grandmother and sisters/ daughters?  Or just women you don't know?

Only women the man wants to rape.
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February 9, 2010, 03:18:47 AM (#107)

I know this topic was started a long time ago and I only read maybe the first 10/15 responses (plus the most recent ones), but I would like to weigh in. I just saw Thelma and Louise tonight for the first time and (spoiler alert) what causes the rest of the action in the movie is that Thelma is almost raped by a man at a bar and Louise shoots and kills him.

Thelma started drinking Wild Turkey as soon as she got to the bar even though it is heavily implied that she is a subdued housewife 99% of the time (i.e. I don't know how much she drinks/how well she can hold her liquor but it is implied not very well.) She is also dressed more provacatively than Louise though it's 1991, so nothing like what we might imagine now. She's got bare arms and mostly bare shoulders and is showing some cleavage and the slits in her skirt are thigh-high.

A charming man approached her and sweet talked her into dancing with him (he also bought her and Louise drinks). They start dancing and a montage occurs wherein it is shown that they were at the bar for probably three or four hours, dancing and drinking. Louise dances rather politely with the men who approach her while Thelma sticks tight to Harlan and dances very sexually with him. She is also shown to have a beer in her hand while she's dancing, which gives the "lots of drinking" implication (though she took like four shots at the beginning of the scene so it's safe to say that she was rather intoxicated).

Louise thinks it is time to go and tells Thelma that she is going to go to the bathroom and to be ready to leave when she returns. While she's in the ladies room, Thelma feels sick on the dance floor and Harlan escorts her outside for some fresh air. She wanders around rather drunkenly but is feeling better. Harlan makes advances on her, which she politely rejects. But then he is forceful with her, making her kiss him and trying to push her skirt up her leg. Eventually this turns into a violent attack, both physically and sexually. Just as he is about to push his dick in, Louise approaches with the gun and gets him to back off. He does but can't leave it at that - he makes some crude remarks causing the already furious Louise to shoot and kill him off of instinct.

Louise says they can't go to the police because no one saw Harlan try to rape Thelma but everyone saw Thelma dancing all up on Harlan.

Here is my argument: No one deserves to be raped. However we as women know how often rape or attempted rape/sexual assault occurs. If we want to avoid it, we cannot act in such a manner that will allow it to happen. Yes, men should be able to control themselves. But we know that some of them will not. So we shouldn't get so drunk that we can't fight back. We shouldn't separate ourselves from our friends. We shouldn't act like we're going to sleep with the guy at the end of the night if we're not planning on doing so. I'm not even really talking about the way a woman is dressed but more about her behavior and the consequences associated with such behavior and decisions. Thelma made a decision to drink heavily when it's something she isn't used to doing. Thelma made a decision to cling tight to Harlan rather than dancing with several other men or hanging back with Louise for a few songs. Thelma made a decision to walk out of that bar alone with a stranger when she knew her friend was in the bathroom. I am not saying that the fact that she was almost raped was her fault, but I'm saying she could have done more to prevent it from happening. As unfair as it may seem, women have to be smart about what we do when we go out because in most cases there is more of a danger for us of being raped or sexually assaulted in some way.

So while I'm not saying any woman who was raped was at fault, I am saying that, in many cases, something could have been done on the woman's part to prevent that rape. And of course there are always exceptions in which there was nothing she could have done. Finally I do want to reiterate that I am also not saying that anyone deserves to be raped either. My point is merely that women should do as much as they can to prevent themselves from being raped because that alone could save them from suffering from that.

Excellent post, nice and controversial.

Can rape be compared to a motoring vehicle accident, where the motorist who was not at fault could see the accident was imminent and going to occur, and could have avoided it, yet they did not avoid it because they were naive or something?
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February 9, 2010, 04:04:09 AM (#108)

Excellent post, nice and controversial.

Can rape be compared to a motoring vehicle accident, where the motorist who was not at fault could see the accident was imminent and going to occur, and could have avoided it, yet they did not avoid it because they were naive or something?

How does a woman know a rape is imminent? Huh 
Again facts are that women who are raped are more likely to be raped by someone they know and trust.
Rape is one of the only crimes where we try to blame the victim.
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February 9, 2010, 04:14:05 AM (#109)

How does a woman know a rape is imminent? Huh 

Maybe she can tell from the vibes that the 'danger' is looking more and more imminent, not necessarily the actual act itself. If the woman is 'testing' the danger then I think it does make it a valid point worthy of discussion.

I think the times where the woman is raped in 'a dark alley' type of setting, grabbed and held down only makes a percentage of cases. I think a good percentage are cases where like you say, the woman knows the man, perhaps trusts them, things may progress positively throughout the night, but then a turning point comes throughout the night quite possibly in the beginnings of the making-out session when she says no, the man gets frustrated, and rapes her, which is obviously one of the worst crimes I would consider one step down from murder or torture.
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